Sunday, June 28, 2015

Bathroom renovations gone wild

The house bathroom needed renovating prior to the house sale due to a leaky toilet that wet the old floor resulting in the vinyl sheeting coming up with the underlayment. The problem was that the last time the floor was redone the underlayment had been put down over mosaic ceramic tile. A formula for disaster if there ever was one.

The previous owner had done that because of the difficulty in removing ceramic tiles from a concrete floor
I took the bull by the horns and rented an electric jack hammer from Home Depot and in the space of a couple of hours I had it all torn out. Hot dusty work but it had to be done right.

While we were in Home Depot we bought "Pergo" type wood plank flooring that looks just like tile to put back down on the floor. We got enough to do the RV bathroom at the same time because the carpet in that bathroom was very tired and faded.

The house floor came out great and a new sink and vanity plus re-grouting the tiles around the tub made a HUGE difference.

While the bathroom was torn up we used the other bathroom in the house and the RV in the drive to take showers. Handy!!

Once the house was ready to show we moved the RV to a nearby campground and lived in it until the house sold.
The toilet in the RV had been leaning a little but now we were living in the rig the toilet sank into the floor.
I tore the carpet out and found that the floor was rotted under the toilet due to an old leaking seal (is this beginning to sound familiar?).

While I had the bathroom torn up we used the bathroom in the campground and took showers at the house (It IS familiar isn't it?)

The biggest problem was the floor flange which had been installed at the factory 16 years ago. They used 8 BIG screws to hold it down. They also set it down over the carpet and underlayment and drove the screws thru everything into the wooden floor.

Doesn't sound too bad except the leak let water soak into the carpet which held the water so that the screws could rust. The threads of the screws had grabbed hold of the carpet and pulled it tight to the flange. When I tried to remove them they were jammed tight. After a certain amount of deliberation and a LOT of bad language. I settled on soaking the top and bottom of the screws with WD40 and cutting as much of the carpet away from the screws with a box cutter. I used vice grips to hold the bottom of the screw (the flooring had disintegrated leaving the screws in the flange), and to give some leverage, I worked them loose. It took me the best part of an hour to get them all out.

I cut a patch for the floor, put a hole in it for the drain pipe then sawed it into 2 pieces centered around the hole so I could slip it under the flange. I made cleats out of the ply I used for the patch to reinforce the edge of the hole and to give the patch something to rest on then glue and screwed the cleats to the underside of the floor then screwed the patch to the cleats and caulked the joins to stop little critters getting in from underneath.

The flooring system uses a thin foam pad with aluminum foil on one side as a pad to insulate for noise and heat. That also lets the floor "float", Being a wood product it will expand and contract with changes in humidity. The foil lets it move without buckling.

Finally the flooring comes in 12" wide planks that look like tile. Ideally I would stagger the "Grout Lines" like I did in the house but to do that would have required a joint in the length of the plank which I wasn't keen on as more joints mean more places for moisture to get in and this stuff is compressed fiber board that probably isn't very moisture resistant. The bathroom in the house was big enough that I had no choice but to have a joint.

The first board was the hardest with recesses for the door, a kick for the wall and a semi circle for the drain.

The other 2 boards had a 45 degree cut for the shower pan and various cut outs for the drain and a little pipe recess for the flush valve supply which though tricky were less trying than the first board. I had my arsenal of saws out for this job with a big hand saw, a tenon saw, a coping saw for the round cuts a circular saw I used at the campground, the big table saw and a scroll saw at the house. Then finally a hacksaw to cut the steel base for the threshold in the doorway.

That first board with the fancy cuts is closest to the camera
You can't even notice it's not just square

I really messed up the last board, I measured it right and cut the angle right, what I didn't see until I dropped it in place was that the "Grout" line didn't line up with the other ones. At that point I had 3 choices, either go with what I had or use the one I'd cut for a template to make another with the lines correct. We'd been without a bathroom in the house for a week and in the RV for almost as long and I folded and left it the way it was.

If lunacy should strike you and you would like to attempt something similar here are some tips:

 Before you start empty the black water tank and wash it out well to stop smells in the rig. We had zero bad smells during the several days it took to finish. Stuff a rag in the waste pipe to keep debris out of the black tank and also to help keep smells out. Don't let the rag fall into the tank!!

If you are living in the RV find a spot to camp close to the bathrooms.

Measure the space and rough cut the boards a little oversized with power tools to minimize the amount of hand cutting.

Don't set your circular saw too deep when you cut into the existing floor. The black water tank is right below the floor and you don't want to cut into that. Check how much clearance you have beforre you cut. My black tank had about 1/2" clearance at the front and 4" at the rear I set the cut depth to barely go thru the 3/4" floor.

Plan out which board needs to be first according to the way the boards click together. You want to have room to lift the last board at an angle then press it together on the adjacent board. I worked from the door in - mainly to get the toughest cuts done first while I was fresh, but also because I would be able to get the last board in easier. I hadn't figured on the cabinet doors getting in the way so I had to remove the doors to get the last board in and replace them afterwards.

Use the "Wood" transitions between the carpet and floor they look great and are easy to install. 

Be courteous to your fellow campers and don't use power tools when it will disturb other people I used hand tools mainly and saved the circular saw for mid afternoon when most people were out.

Update 2 years on. The floor never really was satisfactory. After abut 6 months the "Wood" floor swelled up where the sink and shower splashed water on it. In addition the difference in height between the carpet/backer and the new floor left the toilet wobbly. I shimmed it to steady it but after about a year the shims got loose and it went wobbly again. We finally had the floor replaced with vinyl professionally and ended up having them replace the toilet and down pipe too.

Sunday, June 21, 2015

What a thrill

We expected the open house to be next weekend but the realtor asked if he could have an impromptu one THIS Saturday.
We were out camping and the house was ready so we told him to go for it. 

He had it from 12 - 4 pm and messaged us that it was "Wildly successful and he expected offers soon.
At 4.30 pm he messaged us that he had an offer $10K over our listed price, all cash, close in 10 days.
Oh my! We could be out of here by the end of June!
we are going to meet with him Monday to discuss things.

Of course the RV bathroom needed fixing but by careful measuring I managed to transport the wood back to the house where I used the BIG power tools to cut it to approximate size and make things easier when we get back too the rig. The right tools make things so easy. I'll miss that.

The toilet was sinking into the floor.

Here's why.

Cleaned up the hole

\That's the demolition done!

Meanwhile we have a dinner invitation from our neighbors Don and Joan. Thanks Guys! 

Friday, June 19, 2015

And they are off!

Let the adventure begin.
We’ve finally knocked the house into shape and now it’s about to get listed for $399,500. A little lower than we’d planned but this realtor likes to get it appraised first and list it at appraised value. As long as it sells we’ll be happy.

We’ve actually moved into the RV so we don’t have to keep cleaning up and hiding stuff daily, this way we can be our usual clutterbug selves . We’re using our 30 nights a year free camping with Thousand Trails and staying at Pio Pico which is about 25 minutes from the house. We are going by the house daily as we finish off little things we missed. Yesterdays task was refinishing the kitchen countertop. Which although I say it myself looks pretty darned good!

We have made arrangements to stay at a County Park Lake Moreno for 4 nights. After there, we plan to dry camp at our favorite casino Viejas for the July 4th weekend and then move back to another Thousand Trails park north of here for a couple more weeks while hopefully the house sells. We can commute from there while we empty the last few things out or even camp in the drive if we need to.

After that it will be the BIG ONE and we can head for South Dakota.

That is the good, there has also been some bad. Our friend Wayne has been struggling with pulmonary fibrosis. 

His struggle ended. It was a big shock for Barbara and I even though we only met Wayne and Rhonda  a couple of times we felt very close to them . I think it was because they were the first actual active full timers we’d spent time with. May your journey continue on the other side Wayne. Our prayers are with Rhonda.

On a different note our toilet in the rig has been sinking into the floor! A while back it started to lean a tiny amount, then it leaned more and now it’s sinking. I’m guessing a water leak has rotted the floor under the carpet. I bought enough material when I did the floor in the house to do the rig floor too so my next job is to tear out the carpet and see how bad the damage is. Stay tuned.

This page of the blog is being written at 3am. in the rig on my computer with no internet connection so we’ll see how saving it as a word document and cutting and pasting it to Google works when we get a decent signal!
It worked!